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Kei ([personal profile] keiliss) wrote2019-01-17 12:26 am
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Fandom Snowflake

Day 14: In your own space, talk about what you think the future holds for fandom.

Where is fandom going? I don't know. I know where it's been though, for me anyhow. The Tolkien slash corner when I wandered in was like a spiderweb of interconnected circles, first on Yahoo Groups and then on LiveJournal. We didn't all talk to each other and hang out, but we knew of each other and there was a general sense of belonging.There were fights, some really ugly, there were BNFs who could be difficult, but there was always an underlying love for the elves and men we wrote and read about and concern for one another. I tended to keep my personal life to myself, but when my MiL passed, when my much-loved dog died, when I was diagnosed with cancer, I shared these things and all the support and love and kindness that came back to me were incredibly precious.

That community has more or less fallen apart now, people move on, get busy, have more responsibilities in life. People who came in via the movies weren't always drawn to the Silm when it moved to the centre of Tolkien fandom, the days of 'write the story, don't worry too much about canon' gave way to a bigger focus on 'scholarship', which felt elitist to a lot of writers who honestly were just there for the elves and knew a bit of background but didn't have any urge to study HoMe, they just wanted to tell stories (often about characters no one writes about now). I miss those days and those people and that attitude -- fun and love and a bit naughty and under the radar and there for each other. Many of us were the type of friends who exchanged Christmas cards and birthday greetings (and sometimes gifts). Those friends I still have are doubly dear to me now.

I might find something similar one day in the right Discord, but really to me Discord is just like a Yahoo Messenger group chat that goes on and on and on and I only know some of the people and very often the topic doesn't talk to me... I am not an early first age person as a rule, except for Gondolin. Posting - I know this is a general fandom malaise, but we got comments back then. Lots of them. Even on very average fics. I never posted anything that didn't get at least a few comments on LJ, and I was not one of the mainstream writers (did not write E/G back then, nor twincest or Legolas, both very popular). There was never that sense of writing into a void and there was always someone to measure yourself against, someone to look up to, someone to encourage.

So that's some fandom history. Where is it going? I don't know. I don't think we'll have the answer this time next year either. Fandom isn't leaving Tumblr yet, though it will eventually. They only left LJ when there was a sure landing on Tumblr. There's a new generation over there that doesn't know anything else, but there are many of us who've been around for a while and know it can be better. Pillowfort showed promise but they got the spotlight trained on them way too soon and I think were found wanting --- it's a shame, because they have threaded comments, likes, reblogging, all in the same place, but so clunky and awkward at this stage that it's not a pleasure to go play there (and no easily altered themes, oh come on people, even Tumblr knows that matters!). So, it's not the answer yet. Twitter? Oh dear god, I hate Twitter! What I'd love to see is something as user-friendly as LiveJournal, with the threaded comments and image hosting, plus reblogging. I still host images on LJ when I'm in a rush and when I make a post that needs complicated formatting, I go over there and write it, then copy/paste. Why? Because it's a smoother ride. Sorry Dreamwidth, still some distance to go.


Fandom will go on, because as long as there are tales that have gaps that ask questions like 'what then?' and 'why?', people will fill those gaps as we have since time out of mind. The shape that will take further down the road -- who knows? Whatever happens, I hope we don't fragment too far because one day we'll lose touch so completely that the only place we'll occasionally connect will be in the comment threads on AO3. And that would be so sad because fandom is about the writers and artists and the magic they create and the way imagination sparks from one to the other. This is our sandpit, we need to treasure it.


(okay, that was depressing af but I needed to get it off my chest)
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-18 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the Slashy Swaps do a great job with this; I was sad to miss MSV this year but work has just been ridiculous so far this month, it would have been more stressful than fun to give myself another deadline.

I was so happy we got a nice mix for TRSB too. Hope it's the case this year as well; I know there were some teething problems with the event, but some great art and fics came out of it.
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-18 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
And --- not sure how to word this but so many feel like writing exercises rather than any love for the characters written about

I know what you mean. I think a lot of people use fanfic as "practice" for original fic, though, which isn't how I approach it at all.

I do write certain characters or scenarios or formats as a challenge to myself, sometimes, but I won't publish anything I'm not pleased with.
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-18 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, tell me about it. I like the SWG Discord but occasionally I have noped out of discussions, or not joined in to start with, because someone arbitrarily decides a ship I like is a cliché (*cough* Maedhros/Fingon) or my take on a certain event is wrong because HoME says differently (*cough* the Awakening, which I take a swipe at in Paradox).

Tolkien's views kept evolving, anyway. I think as long as there is in-story/in-verse consistency, fic writers should focus on whichever bits of "canon" make the most sense to them.

(ETA - Keiliss, sorry for borrowing your comments section to moan...!)
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[personal profile] independence1776 2019-01-18 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. The one I can't forget is when I mentioned Maglor had a dog in one of my fics. Someone immediately sent me to a fic they'd written because their author note quoted a bit from Lays where after Huan left, no hound would follow Celegorm... and they'd broadened it out to mean no dog would follow any Fëanorian ever again. And my in-head reaction (as opposed to the polite "it just says hounds and Celegorm, I wouldn't broaden that and don't take HoME as canon anyway") was a "why was bringing it up even necessary? Did you mean to make me feel bad for not knowing that tidbit or were you trying to change my mind? We were talking about dogs in fics, not anything deeper!"

Yes. As long as the story makes sense, why should it matter whose father Gil-galad is or hair color or balrog wings or whatever else?
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[personal profile] spiced_wine 2019-01-19 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
I like the geography to be right and historical references to make sense (to me and to the characters) but for me those details need to be background to the story, not the story itself.

Yes, exactly. I do read non-fiction works on history and even geography sometimes, but to me a story is about characters, not about seeing how many obscure references you can fit in a fic
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
The one I can't forget is when I mentioned Maglor had a dog in one of my fics. Someone immediately sent me to a fic they'd written because their author note quoted a bit from Lays where after Huan left, no hound would follow Celegorm... and they'd broadened it out to mean no dog would follow any Fëanorian ever again.

Err, what?! Honestly, some people...

Incidentally, I love the idea of Maglor with a dog. Which fic of yours is that?
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, no worries! Sorry there is family drama to deal with, I hope everything's alright.

one of the things I love about Tolkien is he wrote just the way we do: write it, change it, retcon it, give the guy a beard, no, no beard, let X be Y's son, no, brother, no, they never met....

Yes, exactly! :D

Oh, I write Gildor as a descendant of Finwë too! Yay! (And Aranwë, Voronwë and Glorfindel...I'm terrible for co-opting characters into my favourite disaster family XD )

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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes obscure references are fun :D but agreed, there needs to be story too - characters to care about, consequences to actions, things to hope for and dread...
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's funny, I loved the concept of the Secret Santa, and on Tumblr everyone seemed to be really giddy about it, but the response to the fics I wrote to it was muted (maybe they just weren't my best? I don't know, I liked them XD ). Maybe it just fell victim to the fact that there are loads of Christmas swaps and exchanges, and people can't interact with everything.
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[personal profile] spiced_wine 2019-01-19 01:16 pm (UTC)(link)
You can write a whole fic around one obscure passage, and as long as it meshes with the fic, great. If things are just tacked on, not so much.

I remember when I was writing Dark prince and had come straight from the RP fandom side, where the only Elves they ever played were Galadriel and Legolas, and they were so soft and glow-y that you could not imagine them doing anything more exciting than drinking wine. They were written as almost saintly and peaceful.
So I had to unearth a (then) quite obscure bit from War of the Jewels about Elves feeling unambiguously negative emotions about other Elves, when I wrote Elgalad being bullied by Malthador in Mirkwood, just to stave off the objections! (That Elves were always tree-hugging lovely-dovey to other elves and would Never Act Like That).
Edited 2019-01-19 13:21 (UTC)
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Elves were always tree-hugging lovely-dovey to other elves and would Never Act Like That

LOL, were they fuck...had they heard of The Silmarillion!? ;)
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[personal profile] spiced_wine 2019-01-19 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, a lot of people reading fanfic had, (although my first reviewers had not save for one, I think; oddly enough they tended to be LOTR fans rather than Silm, but I was new to fanfic, and had GoneThrough All This with the RP crowd, so I was playing safe! It’s certainly nice to know some more obscure bits of canon to back up fic.
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[personal profile] spiced_wine 2019-01-19 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
In rp fandom I met only 1 person in 5 years who had read the Silm. I was just playing safe, really. I thought, I am not going through that again!
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[personal profile] narya_flame 2019-01-19 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I like that! I have him as Lalwen's son, but a cousin of Elenwë works beautifully.
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[personal profile] rhapsody 2019-01-19 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Dogs could somehow smell Maglor was related to Celegorm?

Didn't you know? They share the same perfume (Giorgio Armani's Acqua di Gio to be exactly. ;c)

here is my Celegorm eye candy vid

Sorry, couldn't resist. *walks off giggling*
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[personal profile] rhapsody 2019-01-19 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I wrote a fic based around Nirnaeth Arnoediad

The Boys of Summer right? I love that fic. Read it folks, one of Kei's finest (well she has many good fics haha).
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[personal profile] rhapsody 2019-01-19 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
the days of 'write the story, don't worry too much about canon' gave way to a bigger focus on 'scholarship', which felt elitist to a lot of writers who honestly were just there for the elves and knew a bit of background but didn't have any urge to study HoMe, they just wanted to tell stories

I hope that I always encouraged or gave the vibe to people to just have fun with the material that was out there. Sure I read the books, I still read whatever the estate decides to publish (the hardback ed of the fall of Gondolin begs to be read still). I just never got the 'you must exactly write this because the professor absolutely intended it this way-people. No matter when or how, this never gets old for some people. Live and l let live I'd say.

But having left the fandom, I don't encounter these peeps again (and Twitter can be fun, truly!), I just keep tabs on those people that I care and love, but I am so glad that I don't have to keep an eye on fannish vibes anymore.

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